I am really into SEO and believe it or not blog commenting plays a big part in this. I have a certain SEO track that I follow for all my websites and have even been experimenting with dead websites, bringing them to the top of the search engines. Commenting on a blog is mainly used for SEO purposes, however it can also bring you targeted traffic. But you cannot just comment on any old blog or website.
Blogs to comment on for SEO purposes:
- A “Do Follow” blog or website. This is the number one factor for commenting on a website or blog unless you are commenting to get traffic and not link juice. See what is a “nofollow” link? and how to tell if a blog is “nofollow” or “dofollow”.
- A blog that accepts comments. ( Obviously)
- A blog or website that is related to your niche. ( Not so Obvious )
- A comment luv enabled blog. A top quality link back.
How to find a “dodollow” blog to comment on?
I search in google to find blogs and websites that will accept comments and are “dofollow”. Here are some ways to search for a “dofollow” blog.
Commentluv Blogs: If you look for blogs that have this plugin they are almost always dofollow. They let you comment and also place a link to your latest post on your blog. The following search string will find a keyword in the title of a post and find you blogs enable with commentluv. So for example if I wanted to search for blogs that had the keywords “outlook express” in the title I would put the following:
intitle:outlook express “commentluv”
How to tell if a link is “dofollow”?
Even when you find a blog or website you still need to confirm that it is indeed “nofollow” free. You can do this by installing a free Firefox plugin that will highlight the “nofollow” link. See how to show “nofollow” links.
Here are some more ideas to search for “dofollow” blogs:
intitle:computer tips “powered by wordpress”
intitle:computer tips “nofollow free”
Now please note…Even though a blog has a Nofollow free message or commentluv it still does not guarantee that its links are “do follow”.
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FF is not god for flash sites chrome is better, IE is worst web browser and should not be used, microsoft(IE) is not working on browers desigigng so as to give good product they are just producing whatever comes there way without quality
Great tip to identify Do Follow blogs, I know there are some blogs that identify themselves as Do Follow by when you look into the code the truth reveals itself. I prefer using the SEOQuake plugin and it helps me cut down on the time identifying such blogs. Thanks for sharing it with everyone though.
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I love SEOquake mozilla addon , it tells whether a link is a dofollow or a nofollow. Also, most of the commentluv blogs are dofollow I think,just an assumption
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nice tips mitz…how to search do follow blogs in google……dofollow blogs are the need for this blogging….thanks for sharing it………
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Link building is the great way to improve ranking on search engines, and choosing the dofollow blog to comment on is more effective than nofollow blog. thanks for your share.
I found that actually analyzing competitor’s backlinks is useless if they are on the first page. Most of them pay for their links to get there. Does anyone else experience this? Do you have any solution?
I thought comment luv was no follow…interesting to find out that it is!
I find that most Do follow blogs have switched over to No follow now because of all the spam….make sure its relevant buys when you comment!
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Pretty amazing write up and i was delaying the purchase of commentluv for long time. no more wait. will buy it in couple of days to try and reap the benefits out of it.
Have used the free version and it was really great. Thanks and cheers.
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Usually the commetluv blogs are bumbered with the spammers and they are high outbond link pages. so are they really advantages to us for getting the quality backlinks from such a sites?
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Thanks for the great information!!!…Searching for sites to comment on for high quality backlinks can be time consuming…But, if you put a little elbow grease now, it will pay off in the future with more money made through your internet marketing small business…
I found this article to be a worthwhile read…
WAHM Shelley…
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hello
mitzz to find the dofollow blogs for commenting is really a difficult job after reading ur article i find it really helpful to find the dofollow blogs thnx for this nice share and post
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To be honest. I didn’t know the importance of commenting on other website specially on do follow blog until I participated in my very first blog contest. Very precisely written and buckets of useful information.
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Most of the commentluv blogs these days are having a no follow attribute you can rarely see a do follow blog to comment with. As for the plug in or ad ons there are several plug ins to use to check whether the links are do follow or no follow whether you are using a google chrome or a mozilla browser.
Yes I see that many have nofollow too.. I think there is an update coming that will help with spam and maybe more can become dofollow.
thanks for such article, i still don’t understand the dofollow and nofollow (hopefully i got it this time).
Great! Dofollow blogs are very important for my rankings to improved! Oh, not only my site all of us.. Thanks Mitz! I also find Dropmylink by Ben of SEODiscovery very useful!
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i check if nofollow using seoquake and quick search status in mozilla. However I liked your tip regarding the intitle as I am abot weak using google search commands. Found your blog very useful also by the way! Thanks
joseph
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FireFox is an awsome browser! Nice and Fast but sometimes i need to download some plugins before i can go to the website and i always end up using explore. Heck i have Explore9, FF, Chrome, and Opera. So Far FireFox is Number 1, Chrome #2 ,Explore #3, and Opera #4
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Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge with us, now I know how do the “dofollow” links work and how can I get better rankings on Google for my website.
Another Infromative writeup. I have a question though, what is your opinion on having a combination of both dofollow and nofollow backlinks, I have read on some other blogs that google prefers a health combination of both, what is your opinion on this?
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Yes I like to get both links for natural link building. I do prefer dofollow but that would not look right if they were all the same.
OK, I think I agree with you. A combination of both will look more natural and less spammy.
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Another simple on page search engine optimization technique you can use is to re-order your title tags. Do not use the exact same or very similar title tag for every single page on your website. Changing the order throughout the website just increases the likelihood your page will be picked up by the search engines.
G’Day from Australia.
Very happy to have found this blog with all its information on “Commentluv” – just finished reading how to be accepted on this blog of yours & am very happy to read more from you in the future.
If you would put your SEO activities into % – blog commenting would be 5% or 20%? How much weight do you give for Article Marketing and do you use tools for Article Marketing such as Content Crooner or others? We’re very happy to followup with you on this blog. Have a great day.
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We are also using nofollow social bookmarking platforms, I think the mix is what it is, and some nofollow’s won’t hurt anyway
Great article. I installed the firefox plugin in no time at all and now my job is much easier! Also, great tips. I want to share one too. If you find a blogger online that is active, you can add his user id to your search string and see everywhere he has posted. I find that when I follow professional bloggers, 90% of their trail is hot with dofollow’s!
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Great tips thanks Joe!
Hi mitz. Here we can find dofollow blogs easily. we need only to wright keyword and so on
http://comluv.com/search-results/
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I like the clear instructions and details that you have given in this post. I was looking for information on how to find do follow blogs and found this post helpful. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work.
this explanation is great, meaning easy to understand, even for newbie like me. add ons installed ! start searching site that i can follow
Excellent tips, thanks Mitz. I’m wondering something, however. Do nofollow links pass any link juice at all? Should I just not care about them at all or are they still worthwhile?
Jack.
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Yes I think they are still worth while.. I cannot tell you if they show up in Google webmasters as backlinks now as I haven’t checked for a long time…They used to.. They can also provide traffic and sometimes good traffic. You also need them to create a balance and make your link building look natural.
Thanks Mitz for sharing this nice tips, i do hope this technique could be the best one for blog commenting.
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Hi Mitz Thanks for sharing these tips on finding dofollow blogs.I have compiled a list of hundreds of blogs which are dofollow as I was trying to do backlinking for my website myself.But there is one problem.Most of these blogs have a high homepage PR and many blogs in my list are using CommentLove and keywordluv but to find blog posts with high PR is extremely difficult .Even the blogs which have a PR of 5 or 6 have very few posts which have the PR equal to homepage.And even if i find a post with a good PR of 4 or 5 there are already 100s of comments on that post which dilutes PR and renders the post useless.I’ve come across blog posts with a PR of 5,6 or 7 but sometimes they have more than 1000 comments.I’m wondering is there any linkjuice left for a lastcomer like me.Somewhere I’ve read that Google crawls first 150 links on a page and the rest of the outgoing links are useless or effectively nofollow.Any ideas on how to find blog post with high PR and few number of comments ?Or I’ve to do it manually?
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No..That all sounds like too much effort..Find a few blogs you like to comment on and then hook up to their RSS feed…Then when a new post goes up put your comment in… Other than that…If you want to dominate the page with links…submit a guest post…that is the best way.
I see a wide range of opinion on the value of NoFollow vs DoFollow. Well, obviously DoFollow is great, so I should probably say that the range of opinion is specifically regarding NoFollow. Some say that it provides very link juice at all (if any), to others saying it is still a really great link to have (if high PR), and that it is essential to mix DoFollow & NoFollow in your linking strategies. Confused. What do you think?
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I have commentluv on my site because I apreciate useful comments, but instead I was receiving tons of trackback spam. If you have the same problem, I found a free plug-in called ‘simple TB validation’, which stopped it completely. Give it a try if you have the same problem, I love a spam free blog that requires real people for comments!
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Hi Jen
The new commentluv premium plugin has an inbuilt trackback controller..You can disable them, block them from certain domains..etc..
Not all CommentLuv users are DoFollow, but they are made aware of the option (with multiple settings for giving comments DoFollow status). Based on my experience and a gut feeling, I suspect that the vast majority of CommentLuv blogs have some criterion (such as a number of posts) to startr sharing the love. WordPress, on the other hand, defaults to NoFollow, and it takes a special plugin or (ugh) code to change that setting. I manually set my blog to DoFollow. Now I use CommentLuv to do it!
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What makes you believe that most commentluv sites are dofollow. You said this in the post and I’m wondering how you came to this.
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Good tip on finding commentluv sites via search. You said that most commentluv sites are do-follow. Just curious — what makes you believe this? Enjoy the site by the way. Good information here.
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Believe what? Dofollow and Nofollow?
What about blogs that are using Disqus? Are they dofollow blogs?
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I just want to add that you can also use a plug in wherein you can identify if it’s do-follow or nofollow blog. However, it’s more convenient to use the codes mitz’s mentioned earlier if you are still searching for blogs. Keep up the good work mitz!
So it appears the link is limited to 3 words… (see my comment above)… oh well.
But on a more interesting note, it saw that I recently wrote an article about the BBB tonight. How in tarnation did it know that?! I don’t have CommentLuv running on my WordPress site!
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I have commentluv here so bloggers can showcase their latest posts. And yes I have limited the name words you can use because people were going over board!
If you are interested in finding out more about Commentluv I have a new post about it on the homepage.
Very nice information about ‘dofollow’ and ‘nofollow’. I installed the SearchStatus plugin on Firefox and the ‘nofollow’ links are showing up with a pink background. I’m going to leave it turned on, so I can find sites that will give me linkage credit for reading and commenting on their blogs. I’m surprised sites just don’t use CAPTCHA instead to turn the spam comments away.
BTW, I’m new to CommentLuv, but what is it saying when it asks “and then @ your keywords”. To experiment, let me add three here: @dofollow @nofollow @SearchStatus
Toby Foote
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Toby You misunderstand.
What you should do is write your name like this: Toby Foote@Classroom antics
Then you will get the same thing as my name. I wrote: Danny@Pole chain saw
This way the anchor text to your link will be “Classroom antics”
Which is much better SEO-wize because if somebody wants to find something about “classroom antics” then they are more likely to write something like “classroom antics” but now you are setting yourself up to rank high in Google for “Toby Foote”.
I hope this cleared it up.
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Thanks Danny..I think I am missing the point here when looking at the comments from inside the dashboard!
Great post, since I’ve spend countless hours analyzing my competitors backlinks in order to find some dofollow ones.
I you know more searchterms to search – please do share
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To tell the truth I do not use them…I did have a list of search terms but I just comment on a few blogs as I am too busy with my own!
Well, dofollow links are inportant I think. I’ve added so many nofollow backlinks and they are worth so little link-juice-wise.
Im going to focus on mostly dofollow backlinks in the future with a few nofollow backlinks, to make it look more natural.
Anyways thanks for your post again, I actually didnt know of that plugin.
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Do follow blog! I am writing on a do follow blog,amazing time for me.because we all know to find do follow blogs and main important is under our website niche is never an easy task.So this is my first duty as I should post here some useful content.
I found your blogs and I feel glad on it.Thanks a lot !
Hi Mitz,
I am so glad I found your blog you have a lot of helpful advice! I am new at this and did not realize you could enter search parameters that would not include the nofollow blogs. I thought the only option was the plugin. Great tips this place is a goldmine! Thanks again!
great info on finding a do follow blogs with comment luv ..But i need to work a lot to find best do follow blogs links of my niche ,at the end i would like to say that I found your blog very useful and helpful thanks..
I’ve been searching for this formula in finding blogs that are dofollow and uses comment luv. In this way I could save time searching for blogs that has these thing in it.
I’m so very glad that I have found your article. Thanks
I’d forgotten the specific syntax to use when searching for dofollow blogs so I’m glad I found this article. Thanks for taking the time to provide the information.
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Hi Mitz, I don’t know much about dofollow plugins, but now that I read your post, I will research it a lot more. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
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Our blog usually gets plenty of unrequested email remarks anyhow. My wife and i discover that the comments which come from people utilizing Opinion Luv usually are those We consent usually because you can inform they will begin to see the product and also aren’capital t merely pestering.
I think ComLuv is a great resource for Internet Marketers looking to learn more about their niche and comment with others that are great contributors.
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If it’s not follow then it may still be good for traffic but not linkage. Dont get hungup. they can still show on google backlinks.
I am not sure I understand your syntax here:
intitle:outlook express “commentluv”
Is this used in the Google (or other) search box?
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intitle means in the post title
Outlook express is a keyword example…you should use your own keyword
hope that helps
I’m currently new to blogging, I’ve read 3 of your articles regarding dofollow and how to find them.
I would just like to thank you for sharing this wonderful and useful information to us who’s literally your competitor. A very brave move to help others.
Again, thank you very much mitz
Ken
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No problem Ken
Glad you are finding some useful information… By the way, I love a good competition!
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Very interesting blog, thanks for your advice! Fantastic and very helpful articles! I waisted so much time by posting to no-follow sites, not I know how to do it right! Thanks again!
Thank you so much for this. It will hopefully help me find some more dofollow blogs for links for my savings accounts website.
Danny I have used those strings in the past also. I find the edu and gov ones work very well, though most appear to be nofollow. Still, I would never turn my nose up at a good gov link!
Hi all.
As far as I am aware, moveable type blogs are dofollow by default.
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Thanks for letting us know Peter!
Hi Mitz, thank for the great ideas. Is the searchstatus plugin working for the latest version of firefox?
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Yes as far as I know…
Ha ha I thought I had kidney stones last week but it was a pinched nerve in my back…Don’t know which is better?
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Yes I finally got it working again thanks Mitz… deleted it, reinstalled and it worked
Ha ha kidney stones can be more painful than giving birth. But ouch…. those pinched nerves hurt
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It all good now! Glad you fixed your problem.
Its always a good idea to check if the links are really dofollow! I´ve seen quite some commentluv blogs using nofollow links!
I´m using the SEObook Firefox Plugin to do this job, but there are many others…..
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Great stuff Mitz!!
I didn’t think of the commentluv searchstring yet.
These are some that I use:
inurl:forum
inurl:profile
intext:visitor messages
inurl:member
site:.edu inurl:blog “post a comment” -”comments closed” -”you must be logged in” “KEYWORD”
site:.gov inurl:blog “post a comment” -”comments closed” -”you must be logged in” “KEYWORD”
I always start by checking the links of my competition. Sometimes they have more sites so I can’t find all the links through checking one site, so I search for the names they use on the fora and blogs.
That’s how I find a lot of links with not much work. Just find someone who is already doing what you want to do (finding links) and check what he/she already found.
I hope this helps anyone.
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Great search strings Danny!
You are a very valuable commenter.
I have used the edu and gov ones but never get my comment published…Have you had any luck?
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Thanks Mitz :$
I’ve had success with the .edu and .gov but not much and never relevant.
Sometimes you find one that auto allows. But most of them are already spammed into another dimension.
But it’s a numbers game. Just keep trying and some of them will stick. But if it’s worth it, that’s hard to tell.
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I have a post that outranks my homepage…I was wondering why so I checked the backlinks.. It turns out it has a .edu link that someone else made by using my page as a reference.
There you go, haha. I do believe that there are worthless .edu links as well.
If it has no PR, many outgoing links. Then it’s probably not worth much.
But if you manage to get a PR5 .edu link, then that will probably be a big boost
That’s probably an advantage of using keywordLuv. If people can get a real dofollow link then they might build some extra links to the page that they put their link.
I do that all the time, try to give my link some extra juice
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I have never heard before that we can even search for do follow blogs. Thanks for this tip.. I will try let’s see how accurately the result will be.
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fantastic advice man,its works.i liked your blog so much.thanx for sharing.
So are wordpress and moveable type blogs nofollow by default? Or does the blog owner have to change it to that?
For Wordpress you just get a dofollow plugin. Not sure about moveable type.
Ever since you posted this we have been using your strings to build links. I really appreciate you sharing the knowledge.
Thanks again.
Nice work, thanks for the handy search strings
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Ya the firefox add on works great i barely even notice it now just leave the pretty red boxes going all the time
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hi,
thanks for giving knowldge about seo and web hosting or internet marketing……. its interesting
Love all this – I seek out websites where I actually have something to say and find hundreds of spam sent to me. Oy! Great hints as usual.
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Some great Google query commands to use here, not many people know of them, Thanks.
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So are wordpress and moveable type blogs nofollow by default? Or does the blog owner have to change it to that?
Good tips on dofollow blog, I’m got to try this out
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Hello. i am new at Seo so information like this, with brief description of steps trough searching do follow blogs has golden value. Thank you for sharing this great post.
Thanks for this article @mitz!
Does the “commentluv” plugin only works on wordpress blogs?
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It works on blogger too..
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Thanks for the article. I did not know there was a plugin for Firefox to check for dofollow links.
I will be installing this in my browser.
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Hi Dude, I would like to find java blogs with comment lvu enabled or dofollow link , can you please suggest some way ?
Thanks
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nice site, very informative ,i got the most reliable information from this site…Keep up the good work…I
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It is all possible to control the spam…on Facebook, on your website , and so on…It’s all in the settings.
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Great article. I am so glad I found you com ComLuv. I think ComLuv is a great resource for Internet Marketers looking to learn more about their niche and comment with others that are great contributors. I just hope that users don’t start spamming the system.
I have seen similar things happen with Twitter, Squidoo, and now Facebook. Terrible.
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Very helpful information. I’m just learning SEO so this is very much helpful. I’ve somewhere about commentkahuna but haven’t tried it yet. Their add says it automatically searches for high PR blogs and the dofollow so the searching is much easier. Haven’t tried it though. Thanks a lot.
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All of these tactics make a difference…It is so detailed but all so easy!
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Thanks for the information.
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Great info on do follow blogs just geting in to this
Great tips on dofollow, I knew about commentLuv but not about the seo firefox plugin- Grant
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First of all thanks for advice and in addition: you shouldn’t ignore nofolloow links too, because they show google spiders the link simply without authority.
Very true. You can also get good website traffic from them…but you know the “dofollows” are better.
Hi roddy, if you go to view source and search for dofollow in ie i think that may do the trick but the plugin is much easier. Mitz thanks for the info
I thought I might share this…I have just come up with a really cool trick to do with this and another plugin…I am doing a post about it…Will be up in a few days. It applies to “dofollows” again!
Thanks for sharing this info , although not a big firefox user it seems that i should perhaps change my ways and get in the habit since it seems to offer lots of cool addons that explorer have not even heard of ?
LOL I am a Microsoft lover and teacher but I could not avoid Firefox!
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I was once in your position. But after reading so many great things about FF, I finally installed it and I never looked back!
FF offers so much more than other browsers, especially to webmasters. Thousands of free plugins and add ons is a great reason to join FF.
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Definately agree, also If you do website design you will notice that everything works better in either FF, Chrome, Safari etc. IE seems to want to do everything their own way and cares little about CSS it seems. Even IE9 which was meant to address alot of issues seems more out of date than FF was 2 years ago lol!